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Published: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:22 PM PDT



Interesting comments this morning, and some that I wanted to get to last time and didn't have a chance to n

Regarding the Critical Mass "dunderheads," I have mixed feelings. I recognize and admire the goal in the ride, which is to make sure people know that bicyclists are a part of society, part of our transportation system, and are allowed on the roads. Sometimes you have to fight for your rights. But I'm not sure that aggravating motorists, pedestrians, and other bicyclists is the most productive way to do it. And I think unlawful behavior undercuts the bicycling message. Clearly being quiet and trying to chip away at the edges of the transportation bureaucracy isn't doing the job, so I understand the impulse for Critical Mass. I prefer to do my advocacy as a critical mass of one, where I'm following the laws and getting along with the other road users, maybe educating them one at a time. At the Coalition we never promote unlawful behavior.

But what Critical Mass does very well is create a sense of community for the bicyclists who participate. We need to be doing more of that somehow. We do have activities and rides (like the Bike the Bay Ride on September 7th over the Coronado Bridge) that we hope to use to build a community of two-wheeled citizens. I think Fred is onto something when he proposes a high-profile bicycling event that brings people together. We need community events that bring together not only the cycling community, but the entire community, to celebrate the bicycle.

One of the things that I notice is that there are a lot of bicyclists out there, and you probably know some of them, but you don't know that they ride. We tend to keep our bicycling activity to ourselves n unless you're another bicyclist you probably don't talk about the 50 miles you rode this weekend. I think that if more people were a little more vocal about BEING bike riders, it could go a long way toward building bridges between people who drive and people who ride. And it changes how people treat you if they think they know you. Think about it n are you going to harass the bicyclist ahead of you if you think it's your neighbor, your kid's teacher, or your dentist? Probably not. We need to stop being anonymous.

--KATHY KEEHAN




16 Comments so far on this story...

I'm a cyclist, and like most cyclists, I'm also a motorist. I need help. Why is it, that when I'm driving my car, and a cyclist needs to use the full lane in front of me, that I feel impatient, and animosity towards that cyclist for getting in my way? And from the other perspective, why is it that when I'm commuting by bike, I feel that I'm doing the world a favor by reducing carbon emissions, and that I should be allowed special compensation, allowed to run red lights, allowed to cheat to the front of the line at a red light and go first, even if it slows motorists, even if it puts me in a position for the most common crash type, the right hook? Perhaps, although I understand intellectually that we're all in it together, that we need to behave charitably towards each other, that the roads don't belong to anyone, yet need to be shared by everyone, that I somehow don't yet believe it. What is it going to take for me to transform the intellectual understanding I have, to a true belief which I actually feel, and which drives my perceptions, and emotions? I suspect I'm not the only one who needs this therapy, but I'm willing to work on myself first.

Posted by Brian Parent | reply to this comment
July 16, 2008 6:52 pm

One of the areas in which I think we do need cycling infrastructure is where a route is available for motorists, but no reasonable alternative is available for bicyclists. Perhaps the most obvious example is the Coronado bridge on which cyclists are not allowed, and for which the only alternative is the ferry (limited hours, only once per hour each direction). A more subtle example is Clairemont to La Jolla, a mere 3.4 miles via freeway (SR 52), but 7.5 miles via the surface streets that cyclists have to take... that's twice as far, not to mention the canyons that have to be traversed along Regents, Genesee and La Jolla Village Drive. Click on the following link to see the two routes at google maps. Check the "Avoid highways" box to see the cycling route. link . How about a bridge over I-5?

Posted by Serge Issakov | reply to this comment
July 16, 2008 8:12 pm

One of the areas in which I think we do need cycling infrastructure is where a route is available for motorists, but no reasonable alternative is available for bicyclists. Perhaps the most obvious example is the Coronado bridge on which cyclists are not allowed, and for which the only alternative is the ferry (limited hours, only once per hour each direction). A more subtle example is Clairemont to La Jolla, a mere 3.4 miles via freeway (SR 52), but 7.5 miles via the surface streets that cyclists have to take... that's twice as far, not to mention the canyons that have to be traversed along Regents, Genesee and La Jolla Village Drive. Click on the following link to see the two routes at google maps. Check the "Avoid highways" box to see the cycling route. link . How about a bridge over I-5?

Posted by Serge Issakov | reply to this comment
July 16, 2008 8:12 pm

The organization Kathy directs, the SDCBC, has been doing a great deal for bicycling in San Diego, but so much more needs to be done on at least three fronts: 1) bicyclist education -- how to ride safely, lawfully, defensively, courteously, yet assertively in traffic; 2) motorist education -- bicyclists DO belong on our PUBLIC roadways; and 3) traffic engineering -- let's make traffic signal loop detectors respond to bicycles, and let's traffic-calm those high-speed free merges, diverges, and unions in a pedestrian- and bicyclist-friendly fashion.

Posted by John E | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 8:20 am

I would love a safer way to get downtown from North Park. You can either take Pershing Drive under the I-5, or cut through Balboa Park. Unfortunately, Pershing is a biker's gauntlet with the two high speed freeway entrances one has to cross. Then again, to get to Balboa Park, you either have to take Morley Field Drive up to Park (no shoulder, very dangerous) or University Avenue (ditto). A pedestrian bridge across Florida Canyon to Park Blvd is my dream solution. Any others?

Posted by NP Resident | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 9:40 am

I used to ride a lot more until I got tired of sharing the streets with self-involved bike nazis who felt too good to obey the traffic laws and basically acted like only those who peddled in spandex should be on the roads. I'd like to know what the author thinks of these critical mass dunderheads who purposely cause traffic jams and put everybody, drivers, riders, and pedestrians, at risk.

Posted by Larry | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 10:22 am

To NP Resident -- we all need to push for a reduced speed limit on Pershing Dr. and significant traffic calming (e.g. "squaring") of the mouths of the freeway onramps. This could be done quickly, and at low cost. Pershing is a real problem, because cyclists should always be given two alternative ways, one vehicular, the other pedestrian, to negotiate a nasty intersection. Unfortunately, the pedestrian crosswalk is horrendously mis-engineered, such that motorists cannot see pedestrians starting across until it is too late to stop.

Posted by John E | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 11:02 am

Larry, don't let the critical mass dunderheads and self-involved bike nazis get to you. Ride responsibly, courteously, lawfully, and safely, but get out there and ride and help the rest of us, including Kathy, Brian, and Serge, set a positive example.

Posted by John E | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 11:10 am

Kudos to the North Park Community Association who, when asked for improvement suggestions by N.P. residents at the last street fair, took the suggestion and ran with it. We asked for bicycle friendly improvements, like bike lock rails and bike lanes. Within months stylish bike rails were installed all around the 30th St. and University Ave. area. And recently Utah St., from Upas St. to Adams Ave., was repaved and bike lanes were added on both sides of the street. Thanks, N.P.C.A. Maybe it just takes some "face time" with the community and business associations to be heard.

Posted by Eileen B | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 1:43 pm

Hey, NP Resident, a possible alternate route might be to take 30th Street into Golden Hill, and then down B Street into downtown.

Posted by Jared Bascomb | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 3:26 pm

I want to add to the comments on non-working traffic signal loop detectors. I know I can trigger the light by leaning my bike's metal chain ring and pedal over and down low, in the center of the circle as we are told, but it only works 1/2 the time, even in the newer intersections. If lights worked for cars only 1/2 the time, there would be bedlam! We need better sensors! I also believe this would help bicyclists feel less like renegades and more like equal roadway users. Maybe bicyclists would then treat stop signs and red lights correctly, by actually stopping, and obeying other laws that are supposed to make roads safer for all. I think our renegade attitudes about traffic laws stem in part from being treated as 2nd class roadway users every time that traffic signal loop detector won't work for us.

Posted by Biker Girl | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 3:41 pm

I was it the SANDAG public workshop on the regional bicycle plan June 18th and I was surprised by the amount of planning and thought that has already gone into the cycling/commuting issue. I think by small degrees the “hardcores” (the critical mass) are out there drawing a line in the sand and saying these are our roads too. Their message may be a little abrasive but they do get some attention. I think we certainly can have a cycling town like Portland but you have to keep rattling the chains of those city and county officials.Whether you agree or not it does take small steps for those folks to listen but when you got Supervisor Cox and his legislative assistant Danny Melgoza showing up at that meeting it must mean something.

Posted by J Garcia | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 3:52 pm

All of the posts have been so great! I do have to say as a "Critical Masser" that we do take care to be safe on the roads. And we are doing quite a bit to further public officials to recognize our biking rights. Please don't let some radicals in the group lead to you to generalize the rest of us. We wear helmets, we have lights, and we are careful. We get more cheers from those drivers than we do angry fists, and most people want to know how they too can join in. If our city was a safer place for bicyclists to ride, and had more organized rides, it wouldn't take 1,200+ people riding once a month through the streets of San Diego. Riding your bike would just be accepted, and normal part of everyones lives.

Posted by Critical Masser | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 5:02 pm

Why aren't roads and intersections designed with bicycles in mind before they're built, instead of requiring expensive upgrades after the fact on a case by case basis? Has anything been done to change the process? And why do construction workers put signs in the bike lanes? Are they ever cited for obstructing traffic, and if not, why not?

Posted by Derek | reply to this comment
July 17, 2008 9:55 pm

What can San Diego do? Each of us who are able should find ways to trade out a car trip for a bike trip... start with what you can handle; shorter distances, easier hills, less daunting traffic situations; and of course on a safely maintained bike that fits you. Kathy is right, as more people experience and expand what they can accomplish by bicycling, more people will begin to realize that "Bikes Belong". Though I'm sorry I have to add this. Ride legally and responsibly! Bicycling through some of the traffic situations in San Diego takes some skill and abilities that most of us didn't learn when we were growing up. If you aren't sure how to get around effectively by bicycle, check in with the San Diego County Bicycle Coalition ( link ) for tips, free bike route maps, and training opportunities.

Posted by Jim Baross | reply to this comment
July 18, 2008 2:41 pm

WTF?!?! Critical mass is a great concept that has been well executed in San Francisco every month for 15 + years without issue. You know why? Because smart people who love to ride get together to have fun and show people what alternatives there are to cars. So why is the San Diego Critical Mass filled with drunk belligerent riders (beer in hand) threatening members of the community as they ride down a two lane/two way road in BOTH LANES while shouting at cars to "Get the f*ck out of my way"? They rode through my neighborhood (Mission Hills) on 8/29/08 and gave your group a really bad reputation. A few really bad apples managed to ruin a potentially great political statement about alternative transportation because they wanted to ride drunk, with a pack mentality, acting belligerent.

Posted by Drestylz | reply to this comment
August 30, 2008 1:18 am


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