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Open Letter to The U-T: Down With the Database

By Greg Levin, San Diego



Thursday, July 02, 2009 | The U-T's analysis of the City's salary and wage expenses is flawed and lacks context.

As the former City Comptroller I oversaw the processing of all claims against the City Treasury in addition to the City's payroll function for over 3 years. Beyond daily operational and processing responsibilities, the Comptroller's office serves to function as a centralized repository for financial information about the City. It is in this capacity that I had had the pleasure of working with many talented local reporters. While I didn't always agree with the conclusions brought forward in their analysis, I found that for the most part, the reporters were diligent in fact checking their analysis and generally fair in the presentation of the facts and context. This series by the Union Tribune is clearly an exception.

I stand behind the openness and transparency of the operations of the Comptroller's office. I also think most local reporters would substantiate the Comptroller's Office's commitment to providing a service that is unparalleled by other public agencies. Often they don't charge for access to records that they should, even when they felt it was at the expense of achieving the taxpayer's greater objectives. They do this because they value the role of the press in democratic and open government.

It was because of this commitment that I was dismayed when I read the tilted analysis presented without context. I was even more appalled by the sniveling screed subtly woven into the articles about a lack of, or delayed access to information and how hard the reporters had to work to achieve an eventually bogus result.

First, while the City wants to be accountable to the public, it isn't the City's job to make money for the Union Tribune. The data being requested required custom reports to be developed and run against the City's payroll database. That is the reason why the services were offered at a charge. The public records law is written so as to level the playing field for journalists and the public, not to create a free data analysis consulting operation for journalists.

The City didn't want to devote approximately 40 hours of taxpayer funded programming time to your article when they were in the middle of a major system conversion. They asked you to pay for it. Cry me a river. You have to be kidding me, you didn't see it relevant to disclose the truth behind what you asked; but, you still saw it relevant to disclose the $1,900 payment request. Couching the narrative by saying the system is complex is not integrity, I don't know what it is, but integrity it is not. You were given a quote to perform services that were non-essential to the operation of the city.

Second, about the context of the numbers presented, the data you present is inaccurate in the sense that it overstates individuals compensation on an almost routine basis. Personally, my salary for the fiscal year 2008 is overstated in your database by almost 7 percent. I fact checked the Union Tribune with officials at the City, your reporters didn't understand the data they were given and they did not take the time to understand what the staff of the Comptroller's office was telling them. On a big story, I have had journalist call me 20 times confirming the same facts over and over again. I know what good investigative reporters do and I am told by numerous people that didn't happen here. The irony is that a more seasoned reporter on the U-T City Beat had it right in a blog post dated December 30, 2008[1] and the U-T didn't even fact check against its own previous posts and articles.

To further my point, in the case of a recent article about the salary of a manager in the Comptroller's office, you didn't add any significant (and obvious) context beyond recent turnover in the office. The fact that the office was recently accused by fraud by the SEC, and thus had a significant management changeover wasn't discussed in any meaningful way. Neither was the fact that the office recently performed at a very high level of output and that this employee played a key role in that process. The fact that the employee experienced a significant increase in responsibility and span of control for being a high performer is also absent from your article. Finally, the fact that his pay was artificially low in the base year of the analysis due to the fact that he was in an “out of class” assignment is also absent. This is all relevant in the context of a watchdog report about how a persons compensation is set; especially one that the reporters spent "months" compiling. The point about out of class assignments are especially relevant if you are going to print something about the percentage increase the employee in question received. All of this illustrates that the Union Tribune's analysis is shallow and flawed.

Perhaps this was due to the predetermined bias of a few overly eager, sometimes frustrated, and very green data analysts looking to make their mark in an organization in turmoil. Know this: if your staff can't take the time or make the effort to provide a factually correct and nuanced understanding to the reader, it encourages the City to apply the narrowest possible legal interpretation of the law around public records access and constantly play defense. Ultimately, this is to the disadvantage of the rest of the local journalism community and the public at large. As such, I hope they stand up and take notice of this butchering of the facts.

If you can't pin your numbers, you shouldn't print them. Qualifying footnotes don't make up for shoddy analysis. It doesn't work that way when the shoe is on the other foot. That is what journalistic integrity is supposed to be about. In my opinion, this marks a new professional low - at least locally. It is just too bad that it had to take place at the expense of thousands of dedicated and hard working city employees. If the Union Tribune was truly acting in the best interests of the City's residents it would take down the database and would hire a qualified consultant to assist them the next time they want to analyze a complex topic like the City's payroll.




46 Comments so far on this story...

Telling, isn't it, that the Voice of San Diego is the go-to-place for people to talk about the failings of the Union Tribune. Unlike the dowager, the Voice gives voice to the people.

Posted by Bob | reply to this comment
July 2, 2009 8:08 pm

It has simply come to this, the SDUT has fallen to the level of publications we all glance at while waiting in line at our local supermarket. The tantalizing eye grabbing headline is designed not to impart accurate information but rather to stimulate the urge to purchase the product. Mr. Levin your thoughtful analysis is right on target. As a native San Diegan and a long time reader of the SDUT, I have watched with dismay the quality of reporting decline. Now, it seems, the SDUT is in fact circling the drain. Readership is way down, long time subscribers like me are canceling renewals. New owner have little real interest other than the real estate value. Thank goodness for the Voice of San Diego where integrity in journalism matters. Mr. Levin, once again, thank you for your efforts in getting the truth out.

Posted by JustWondering | reply to this comment
July 2, 2009 8:33 pm

Great letter, Greg. I provided information to the UT at one point and was chagrined to read the resulting article realizing that they manipulated the data to create a story that was wildly inaccurate. It made me start reading every article in the paper with a more critical eye knowing that you really can't rely on that newspaper for factual reporting. The data that was provided was twisted to make it look like the City had a huge problem when I knew it did not. I now expect every watchdog report to be a gross manipulation of data to reach a conclusion that was already decided before the article was even researched.

Posted by Sue | reply to this comment
July 2, 2009 10:27 pm

Mr. Levin, Thank you for penning this letter and setting the record straight. Your letter points out the spin, lies and misstatements contained in the three part series by the Union Tribune. Thank you

Posted by Steve McMillan | reply to this comment
July 2, 2009 10:35 pm

First of all, I agree 100% that the City employees should not have had their names listed in the U-T's search to find a scandal. Most City employees were not participants in the machinations of the union leaders, City Council, and management staff to create the pension mess. But I have two questions, why did the City provide this database--was the revenue so necessary that the City breached the privacy of its employees? And why is the information erroneous? If the City provides it, shouldn't it be accurate, and if it isn't (and it is not), then how much confidence can we have in any City numbers? If I was the State Librarian, I would run far and fast before believing City numbers related to the main library project, and would suggest the same to any other project given this example of bogus reporting.

Posted by Leanne1 | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 5:39 am

The city provided the information because it had to under the California Public Records Act. Salary info is not private for government workers The information was provided free of charge; what the city said the UT would have to pay for is the creation of a database that would give them the data broken down as the UT wanted it. They chose not to spend that money to reimburse the taxpayers for the significant amount of time it would take to do that. Had they spent the money, they would have had a database that was accurate. Instead, they posted the data that the were warned, repeatedly, had flaws as a database of pay. That's because the payment data also include tuition and mileage reimbursements, uniform/tool allowances, union settlements, and many other payments that are not truly compensation to the employee. (cont.)

Posted by Mayor's spokeswoman | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 10:49 am

Furthermore, it does not reflect year-to-year differences such as medical/industrial leave, whether someone only worked a portion of the year, whether they were working at some sort of reduced level because of injury, and many other factors that skew the data. The Union-Tribune was made aware of the challenges in this data in interviews and in memos from the comptroller well in advance of the stories' being published, and they chose to run with it. This is disappointing, given that this is the product of months of work by the UT's elite team of investigative reporters. All in all, the data provided were never adequate for this analysis -- but it IS producible information under the Public Records Act. They are allowed to publish the names and compensation of all city workers. I think what people are reacting to is that it seems punitive.

Posted by Mayor's spokeswoman | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 10:57 am

Tons of reasons to list names, even if none of them are relevant to the UT's investigation. Nepotismand gender/racial equity in the employment ranks, off the top of my head cannot be fairly gauged without tying each position to an actual person. I don't know why this is such an issue. Some states, like Missouri, actually post this information themselves to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. See the Missouri Blue Book for an example of what it looks like in action: link

Posted by Matt | reply to this comment
July 4, 2009 8:15 am

Is a person's name a reliable indicator of their gender? No. Is a person's name a reliable indicator of their race/ethnicity? No. Are two people with the same last name necessarily related (indicating nepotism)? No. If you are concerned about any of these issues--and they are legitimate concerns--the appropriate action is to approach the city and ask for a demographic breakdown of its workforce. A roster of names accomplishes nothing.

Posted by chargefortrashpickup | reply to this comment
July 5, 2009 9:37 am

" Nepotism (sic) and gender/racial equity in the employment ranks, off the top of my head cannot be fairly gauged without tying each position to an actual person." and you are able to determine this from name/position/gross dollars.... how? I only ask because you're obviously a significant civic resource!

Posted by Frank G | reply to this comment
July 5, 2009 1:31 pm

I have been a U-T subscriber for 29 years but this series of articles on employee compensation finally convinced me to cancel my subscription. Yes I am a city employee and I understand that my salary is public information, but the information they disclosed is inaccurate and out of context. I am sick and tired of their poor journalistic standards and complete disregard for the truth. Its no wonder the UT is dying a slow death. Their time has come and gone and they are now using the most desperate of tactics to stay alive.

Posted by Jim | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 7:05 am

It is unfortunate this letter is long and filled with data that is in some degree significant only to journalism. To sum up, the UTC is a hack paper and needs to be shut down. I have stopped my subscription and I know of many others that have cancelled as well. I recommend to the citizens of San Diego County they follow suit if they believe in honesty and integrity in journalism. The UT has not been a decent paper for a long, long time. We need a change and the citizens need to be informed with honest, accurate and unbiased reporting.

Posted by Ron Weiss | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 7:45 am

I bet the highly compensated City employees (and not all are) are crying all the way to the bank. We know what the President of the US, judges, congressmen and senators earn. Why should the City salaries be shrouded in secrecy ? This is one of the best things the almost dead UT had done in a long time. The under wraps stuff reminds of the Catholic Church and its efforts to move assets in order to avoid judgments. You just know there is something to hide and it's not pretty. Where are the Sunshine Ordinance supporters on the City Council like Donna Frye when these issues are aired ? Shouldn't she take a position ?

Posted by grasca | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 10:32 am

Crying on my way to the bank I'd like to say to you "Salud, amor, y pesetas, y el tiempo para disfrutarlos". Now I even have the time. I'll be thinking of you my dear Grasca. Salud,

Posted by Ay guey | reply to this comment
July 6, 2009 4:57 pm

Mr. Levin: Thank you for your service to the City of San Diego, past and present. Like other City employees you did not stop caring for the City and its citizen's when you left your job. Informing citizens was and is a continuing principle of city employees. Accuracy is also a guiding principle so it was a double affront when the UT published inaccurate information. The UT said "they thought long and hard" before publishing employee names - and that "their responsibility to inform, outweighed the individual privacy concerns." The (correct) salary numbers would have informed. The names were only necessary to sell papers and satisfy an unwholesome interest in the affairs of others. It may now be time to ask the hallmark question for repetitive unfair treatment, "and now at long last, have you no decency?"

Posted by Joe Flynn | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 11:50 am

Greg is missing an important point here. Data on payroll should be readily available and not require 40 hrs of programming time to obtain it. That is why the city is currently upgrading to SAP and the payroll functions should have gone on line on July 1. Also the city's financial controls were so poor that Nancy Graham, former president of CCDC, could get the city to cut cheques of up to $250K for non-bid contracts with no justification whatsoever. Similarly, the city paid outside legal costs without a clue what services were rendered. All these data released by the UT are public records and if they embarrass some city workersand managers and the mayor himself-too bad.

Posted by Ian Trowbridge | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 12:28 pm

Ian, your comment shows you haven't read the context of the article and the reason for the cost. From someone who is currently looking at changing databases for a very large firm, converting data to a system like SAP doesn't happen overnight and is a process of weeks and months, not a date like July 1. You have no idea as to how the UT wanted the information and how that compares to the existing database and reports that the City is currently using. Your comments are no more factual than the UT article. And, it wasn't necessary to post names, they could have just posted the positions without making the article sensational and personal to all those listed.

Posted by Ron | reply to this comment
July 4, 2009 7:29 am

ActuallyRon: The conversion has been in progress for months and is behind schedule and over budget. The city chose to tell the public the phase one conversion (i.e. payroll) would be completed by July 1. I really have no interest in all the speculation on the UT's motives or those of the posters who seem to have their own agendas. The truth the salaries of city staff are a matter of public record and I don't think most city workers would care. Most inflated salaries are in upper management directly under the direction of the mayor. If you get an increment for some special skill you should be proud not defensive, but it is part of your salary.

Posted by ian Trowbridge | reply to this comment
July 5, 2009 10:04 pm

Mr Levin didn't miss anything. Since we all know the old financial systems are being replaced, the UT could have either paid the necessary money to have meaningful numbers or they could have waited until the new erp was online. And in either case, they could have easily redacted the names, which provide absolutely nothing of importance. As to the rest of your comment, it's just the same old tired rant, completely unrelated to the original letter.

Posted by larry | reply to this comment
July 4, 2009 7:49 am

Why would the SDUT want to redact names? It's just sensational type of journalism the SDUT NEEDS to boost sales of papers and visits to their website. Everyone who has read the story now know how LOW these so-called journalist are willing to go.

Posted by JustWondering | reply to this comment
July 4, 2009 10:34 pm

If the city's database suits the city's purposes, and they get the info THEY need from it, why should they have a specialized system to suit the needs of the UT? Last I checked, the UT is a private business that the taxpayers are under no obligation to fund. If you want to fund them, subscribe or advertise. The rest of us should be able to take our news dollars elsewhere.

Posted by Ian misses the point -- again! | reply to this comment
July 7, 2009 12:20 pm

Under CPRA, if a request is made for a specific document -- and that document does not exist -- the agency is NOT required to create it to satisfy the request.

Posted by cobracag | reply to this comment
July 7, 2009 8:29 pm

Ian raises one excellent point in that the City should have this information without additional programing. When the City implemented the citywide software program for budgeting which was recognized nationally, then-City Manager Mike Uberuaga killed phases 2 and 3 of the implementation which would have instituted position budgeting (i.e. marrying personnel and auditor data bases with budgeting to provide instant salary and budget data among multiple other uses) and data warehousing to create an searchable data base for both public and city use. I should point out, however, he did establish a program and database to track mayor and councilmember programs, projects and priorities. Nice trade-off.

Posted by Get A Clue | reply to this comment
July 15, 2009 11:31 pm

The UT's Eleanor and the other dip who created the database have no experience in large payroll data systems or accounting and are unqualified on this subject. Their objective was to display growth in labor costs but they sought a data set that does not support their objective (which is why they are unqualified). I do support transparency in gov't. The way to track labor cost growth cannot be acheived by tracking an employee, but rather tracking the cost of positions which is available on the City's website under the Financial Management Department's page where all the adopted budgets are listed as well as Monitoring Reports. Changes in labor are presented in the Executive Summary and position changes are listed within each department. One could also look up the CAFRs too. What the UT did was reckless and a pathetic attempt to increase readership.

Posted by UT_is_lame | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 12:46 pm

The SDUT is the local rag for "news"' on the Charger Stadium Search , the latest embarassing Padre box score and newest scandal coming out of the City Council boobs. Otherwise it is worthless. My bet is it will be out of print in less than five years replaced by internet info piped into the pc you are carring in your pocket.

Posted by pat stewart | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 4:58 pm

Compelling, but the arguments seem broad, perhaps due to space limitations. I'm curious. Why was your salary was "overstated ... by almost 7 percent?" I find it difficult to believe that change was made by the UT's analyst. It seems far more likely that the increase was in the original data. There could be lots of explanations (parking fees, perhaps. pension contributions). None of those make the number wrong. If the 7 percent inflation was added by the City when it spent 40 hours programming a way to simply retrieve information from a database (which, frankly, could have been the crux of the story. Why so long?), then it would be the City's obligation to provide records more suited to the UT's purposes. After spending $1900, I can't imagine they'd take it down because the data they received were flawed. I am genuinely interested in your response.

Posted by Wynn | reply to this comment
July 3, 2009 7:40 pm

The point is that the UT did NOT pay the costs for breaking down to the data to split out salary from other reimbursements, thereby over-inflating salaries of many people on the list. I see that you asked why the UT would take down information they paid $1900 for, but even their own article stated that they (UT) chose not to.

Posted by Kate | reply to this comment
July 4, 2009 1:39 pm

That's the point. The UT didn't pay the $1900 to get better data. "The database the city provided in response to the newspaper's request included salaries and overtime paid to each employee by name, but not details of pay categories, such as merit increases or bonuses. The city said it would charge the newspaper at least $1,900 to provide more specifics." Wouldn't you pay to get the proper data if you were going to publish a story of this magnitude?

Posted by Joe Friday | reply to this comment
July 5, 2009 5:37 am

Great letter and excellent comments from other readers. What's missing here is an analysis of the UT's motives for running such a sloppy and biased 'watchdog' report. Selling papers? Perhaps. A more plausible motive is that the UT editorial view has declared war on public employee unions and public employee compensation levels in general. It has been a slow slide for a number of years at the UT that their editorial bent is now woven throughout their local news coverage. I still subscribe but am ashamed to admit this. San Diego will continue to be thought of in less than favorable light until it gets a daily journal with some ethics and integrity. The Voice does a far more objective job with its local government coverage, but is not yet diverse enough to substitute as a daily paper.

Posted by Dick | reply to this comment
July 4, 2009 4:36 am

Dick makes an excellent point when he wrote: " more plausible motive is that the UT editorial view has declared war on public employee unions and public employee compensation levels in general. It has been a slow slide for a number of years at the UT that their editorial bent is now woven throughout their local news coverage." The SDUT declared war on their own labor unions years ago. This has now spilled over in groups beyond its control, BUT NOT BEYOND ITS INFLUENCE. The SDUT is in its death throws now... and probably will not survive as a printed newspaper. I estimate a year, two at the outside.

Posted by JustWondering | reply to this comment
July 4, 2009 10:42 pm

The U-T is now owned by a private equity firm. Their interest is not good journalism, but rather tabloid journalism. If they can't make money by selling dirt, why even buy it? The U-T is stripped down of high quality (and high earning) journalist. The truth will not be conveyed and lies (err..I mean angles) will be created. Next step is to sell more papers and attract more advertising dollars by creating drama and picking a fight. Sell the paper off at its highest value. Go off to other business and repeat. What did this world come to when the newspaper distorted the truth and government tries to report the truth? Are these the sign of the times? I wonder if the public will adapt and realize tabloid journalism has hit the mainstream. Sad day for us.

Posted by Thinking Out Loud | reply to this comment
July 4, 2009 5:35 am

Benjamin Franklin, father of the first newspaper in the Colonies that became the United State is spinning in his grave over stories like the one purported as fact by the SDUT. It is as you say, a sad day for us all.

Posted by JustWondering | reply to this comment
July 4, 2009 10:47 pm

You might want to check your history. The first continuously published newspaper was the Boston News-Letter that had its first edition in 1704. Franklin wasn't even born until 1706.

Posted by Hoystory | reply to this comment
July 6, 2009 7:57 am

What people may not realize when they see the salariesis that when a person is hired by the City they start at a certain rate, depending on their experience. Basically, a person starts at the bottom, "A", they will go to "B" (with a merit increase) in 6 months, then "C" in another 6 months (each step has a merit increase). They are on probation during this time. After they reach "C" they are off probation and will not go to "D" for 1 year. The final step increase (E step) will be one year later. When a police officer gets out is in the field for about 1 year he/she will be eligible for a merit increase. Since there are so many new officers, you will see a decline overall budget expenditure, but an increase in individual salaries because of the merit increases.

Posted by Just Wanted to Say | reply to this comment
July 4, 2009 10:57 am

The city was remiss in creating a faulty database in the first place, if indeed the database is faulty.. Mr. Levin's response included a lot of invective but few facts. As another commenter asked, just how was his pay overstated by 7 percent? He didn't explain. We're just supposed to take his word for it. I also got a chuckle out of a bureaucrat lecturing reporters on the role of journalism, when his real motive apparently is to keep embarrassing information hidden. The U-T's coverage was a blow to the entitlement mentality of city government workers, and I hope they keep it up.

Posted by Bradley J. Fikes | reply to this comment
July 6, 2009 4:36 am

Looks like a north county wannabe is trying to get hired with the new UT owners. Well, Fikes, if you actually think that the UT's coverage was good, then you'll fit right in. Of course, you'll be out of touch with the 70+ percent of readers in the UT's poll on the subject.

Posted by Larry | reply to this comment
July 6, 2009 12:21 pm

"Larry," I've criticized and praised the U-T and other local publications as warranted, and unlike you, I do it under my real name. The U-T's database investigation is the kind of journalism it didn't do in the past, which is partly why VOSD was founded. Scott Lewis also said Karin Winner should be proud of her decision to publish the database, and not apologize for it. I concur.

Posted by Bradley J. Fikes | reply to this comment
July 7, 2009 6:33 am

Nonsense! Publishing incorrect data is a standard we are suppose to accept as professional work. I say again...nonsense.

Posted by JustWondering | reply to this comment
July 9, 2009 4:47 pm

"JustWondering," The stories spelled out the data's limitations, which were caused by the city -- you might want to spread the blame their way. San Diego's finances have been going downhill since the days of Susan "Ticket Guarantee" Golding and her disastrous successor, Dick "20-20 Vision" Murphy. A few years ago, I listened to the delusional performance of then-city manager Lamont Ewell, trying to convince the state stem cell program to locate in San Diego: link It's long past time to fix this broken government.

Posted by Bradley J. Fikes | reply to this comment
July 10, 2009 10:19 am

You miss the point entirely. The SDUT former logo included the slogan, "the ring of truth". Now it's sensation sells, damn the truth. The city told the SDUT the data as provided did not show the whole truth. It added if they needed it broken down further there would be a cost of $1900. Now I realize times are tough, especially at the SDUT but to publish a story they knowing misrepresent as the truth is practicing journalism at its lowest level, i.e. the supermarket tabloid. Then to hide behind the public records act and a mere $1900 is as reprehensible as those publication are.

Posted by JustWondering | reply to this comment
July 10, 2009 3:34 pm

"JustWondering," I get your point entirely. I just don't think it's valid. The U-T published the data with caveats on its limitations. Even with those caveats, it's a start at cracking the veil of secrecy. If the city claims the data is inaccurate, presumably it must know how to make a more accurate version. And why does the city keep inaccurate data in the first place? Could that be a clue to its financial problems? But you don't ask about those issues or criticize the city. So much for "just wondering". And that brings up another point: Anonymous sources have little credibility -- I don't use them in my reporting. Provide your real name, so we have a better idea of where you're coming from.

Posted by Bradley J. Fikes | reply to this comment
July 11, 2009 9:08 am

Publishing potentially wildly inaccurate data with caveats is NOT enough. Mr. Fikes, tell me, when you can't confirm iffy information you got for a story before your deadline, do you simply publish the possibly bad information and say, "Although this could be completely wrong?" Maybe you would say "The financial terms were not available, but experts estimated ..." At least then you're being upfront that you are stabbing in the dark. The UT was far from honest about the limitations on their data, and if you look at the site in question, it does NOT give you the sense that any of those numbers could be off by as much as 30 percent. You have to go to Voice of San Diego's Letters page to find that out. Stop defending this careless move. If they wanted the info, they should have been willing to pay.

Posted by If it's wrong, don't | reply to this comment
July 13, 2009 1:05 pm

"If it's wrong, don't", This is not some generic matter of confirming iffy information before a deadline, it's the City of San Diego deliberately making it hard to get accurate information that should be available for free. I applaud the U-T for putting heat on the city to respond; it's just sad it took so long to challenge a government accustomed to hiding information. Meanwhile, the city's stonewalling is backed by you and the other bravely anonymous commenters, who begrudge that the city is being asked to reveal what should be easily accessible public data. How interesting.

Posted by Bradley J. Fikes | reply to this comment
July 13, 2009 7:27 pm

Actually, Mr. Fikes, it's pretty clear that the city made the database they already had available, but that database (amounts paid in checks to employees) does not parse these amounts the way the UT wanted them. They have a very old payroll system they're upgrading, as reported by Voice. The city accountants can go and look at an individual's profile and see what all the payments were, which is what they need to be able to do, but they can't separate all the fields in a data production for all 10,000 employees. I worked in a payroll division of a big company for many years, so I know this is a legitimate problem with old systems. They're not designed to produce data for UT stories. It was made for the city to meet its own information needs.

Posted by If it's wrong, don't | reply to this comment
July 14, 2009 9:34 am

'If it's wrong, don't" The city of San Diego is not a "big company"; it is a municipal corporation. Unlike a private company, the city is responsible to the public. Your continued refusal to admit anything wrong with the city and annoyance with the U-T is a classic case of bureaucrat bunker mentality. The city has brought this disgrace upon itself over more a decade of sloppy government. It has a responsibility to come clean about its massive failures and shape up. If you don't like this responsibility, don't work for the government.

Posted by Bradley J. Fikes | reply to this comment
July 14, 2009 11:18 am

The City is responsible to the public. Unfortunately, the UT does not represent the public's interest. It just wants to sell newspapers. Why is that so hard to understand? If they really wanted to educate the public, they would have spent the $1900 bucks to get the date in a formate that would make more sense. Why should the City spend person hours formulating data for a newspaper? Really...is that what you want City employees doing all day? Although public information requests are a necessary part of government and an obligation to the citizenry, they also create an enormous drag on the productivity of the City.

Posted by Ann | reply to this comment
July 17, 2009 10:41 pm


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