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A Proposal: A New Tax for a Concession



Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2009 | It may not seem like it, but for the past several years, we've been quite lucky.

"The employees agree to trim some of the most controversial benefits they enjoy and the city, led by its mayor, agree to consider a major increase in fees in order to lessen or eliminate the likelihood that the government will need to lay off thousands."
The city of San Diego has been sick for a long time but we're only now starting to break out in hives.

Trash litters Sunset Cliffs. Perhaps one of the most beautiful areas of San Diego is now peppered with containers and waste the city used to clean up.

The litter is a rash indicating a more serious infection within.

A mania in the housing market -- and the property and sales taxes it generated -- hid the symptoms of this chronic condition. But just as we began a housing frenzy here before most other regions did, now we're part of a small group of regions leading the nation through the correction.

Our cities are crumbling. Chula Vista, once boastful and confident, even derisive of its neighbors, is now as close to bankruptcy as a municipality can get. The county, its officials once heady and condescending, are now warning of dire, destructive long-term fiscal woe.

And then there's the city of San Diego. During the recent boom times, the city, unlike its neighbors, actually cut services and let its facilities deteriorate. Even with soaring revenues, City Hall was simply not set up to take in near the amount of money it was set up to spend. We were protected from the effects of this imbalance by the most artificial if not fraudulent expansion of the economy we've ever witnessed.

And now, with the correction of that cycle taking us back to 2001 with brutal efficiency, San Diego residents are about to suffer the real symptoms of our budget's illness. The rash breaking out in Sunset Cliffs is nothing compared to what will upset us as the city comes to terms with a $54 million shortfall this year and an even larger one in 2010.

As we grapple with this reality, we're often told to look at this from one of two points of view: that of the taxpayers or that of the public employees. Either San Diegans are being ripped off by greedy city employees or San Diegans are cheap, unwilling to pay for the services they demand. Both of these are bitter, unhelpful perspectives right now that are unfortunately often repeated.

If you are one of those perpetuating either of these views, San Diego needs you to put it aside for a minute. We are not two separate groups with mutually exclusive interests no matter what some people -- including leaders of both sides -- might say. Public employees benefit when a city runs effectively and delivers its very valuable services efficiently. And taxpayers benefit when public employees are treated with respect and compensated appropriately.

It is time we sit down at the table and come up with a deal that both respects the service of city workers and pays heed to the frustration taxpayers justifiably feel.

And let's go ahead and accept that San Diego taxpayers are understandably frustrated. We've watched scandal after scandal pass by as special interests lavished themselves at the public trough. We've seen people award themselves bonuses with tax dollars without even asking for approval. Developers have been subsidized by the millions while at the same time changing and morphing their plans away from what it was that justified their large subsidies.

We see city officials, upon retirement, collecting million-dollar disbursements from a public organization that is as close to broke as it can be. We find ourselves bribing city employees to stay on the job five years past their "retirement age" and then we find out we're paying them a guaranteed 7.75 percent return on the pensions they're accumulating at the same time they're being paid a regular salary.

We find collection agents from the city calling us in the middle of the day because five years ago we did some work for a company as a side job and, though we paid taxes, we never coughed up a "business license fee" to the city. We're spending millions to build new libraries at the same time we cut the hours at old libraries to the point where you need a spreadsheet to figure out when you'll be able to go to visit your local branch.

This is insanity.

Most infuriating of all, though, we've watched the city's budget grow at the same time services have been cut. How is this possible?

Until now, when we've faced these questions, we have had to deal with this tug-of-war between taxpayer advocates and employee unions. Nobody -- not the mayor, not anyone else posing as a leader in this town -- nobody has attempted to forge a compromise between these two forces.

On the one hand, we're told all we must do is cut benefits of city employees and all would be OK. On the other hand we're told we're too cheap, to increase our taxes and then all would be OK.

The fact is, if you advocate only one of these routes, we'll never go down either. We need to package these two forces and I, for one, am tired of waiting for people (on the City Council or in the Mayor's Office ) to do it.

Let's start with this: The business community and taxpayers need to show they are willing to consider increases to the city's revenue sources. Public employees and city officials would do themselves and everyone a favor to admit that the laundry list of complaints about wasted money and extraordinary employee benefits are legitimate frustrations.

If we could take those two simple steps, there are a few conclusions we can all make. We can provide public employees a respectable compensation system -- one that serves as a model and competitive standard in the marketplace -- and one that at the same time makes the city more efficient.

How? The employees need to agree to trim some of the most controversial benefits they enjoy. The city, led by its mayor, needs to support an increase in fees in order to lessen or eliminate the likelihood that the government will need to lay off thousands of workers.

The mayor, as always, is the most important person in this discussion. I watched, in 2004, a tax on hotel-rooms stays (a tax on visitors to the city, no less) go down in flames even though it was supported by every single interest group imaginable. It was opposed only by the mayor and hotelier Doug Manchester and it failed.

This mayor is stronger than that mayor. He can forge a better path.

He should ask that the city's labor unions do five simple things: 1) Agree to eliminate DROP entirely. 2) Agree to make the city's retirement age for all employees to 55. 3) Change the status quo so that employees, when they retire, get a health-care benefit but not guaranteed full coverage. In other words, the city and workers will contribute to a trust, like the county government set up. When employees retire, they'll be eligible to receive regular payments to help them meet their health care needs in the future. 4) Agree to a full furlough of 12 days for the next two years to weather the crisis. 5) Agree to eliminate two employee holidays over the year.

These are perfectly reasonable concessions to make during an economic crisis. City employees can still count on a fantastic pension -- this is in addition to their other retirement plan, which is similar to a 401k, and which would remain in place. The furloughs would be tough to swallow but they can be managed and eliminated when the economy improves. The city offers 11 paid holidays for the year. Nine is plenty.

Only the furloughs would have a direct effect on the take-home pay that employees collect. The other reforms protect the city and taxpayers from long-term liabilities that can balloon uncontrollably.

The first reform -- dropping DROP -- combined with the second could save the city up to an estimated $22 million a year within three years. It would be a powerful, symbolic reform, as well that will help diffuse the burgeoning hostility between taxpayers and public employees. Limiting the health care liabilities the city is supposedly on the hook for until a retiree dies would be a long-term savings necessary to stabilize the structural imbalance of the city's budget. The last reforms -- the holidays and furloughs -- could save up to $17 million, according to the Mayor's Office.

The argument -- and the unions will bring it -- that the city actually saves money from DROP is bogus. DROP allows someone to "retire" from city service and yet continue working for five years. Proponents say that it keeps experienced people on the job past their retirement age and saves the city from having to recruit new employees to fill those roles.

But this "savings" is a joke. It's predicated on an artificially low retirement age. Right now, public safety employees can retire at age 50. You don't have to bribe people to work until they are 55. Working until you are 55 is a perfectly reasonable expectation.

Changing the retiree health care obligations will help contain one of the most frightening liabilities looming on our horizon. The county, for however much trouble I give them about their pension burdens, expertly navigated this minefield last year and was able to save itself perhaps a billion dollars at the same time it protected a benefit for employees well into the future.

And cutting holidays? Instituting furloughs? These are tough times. When you face a problem or a crisis, the worst part is always the uncertainty of just how bad it will get. If you know what you're going to deal with, you can prepare yourself appropriately. This is a chance for employees to be able to know exactly how bad it is going to get and steel themselves.

All told the savings would be as high as $40 million in two years. These reforms preserve a compensation system for our public employees of which we can be proud and contain our long-term liabilities to something we can visualize.

If we're able to implement these changes, the mayor should support imposing a fee on our trash pick-up service. If we charge enough for the city to recoup what it costs to pick up trash (a $10-$12 fee per resident, per month) we can raise up to $40 million or more.

This will go a long way to righting a city currently taking on water it is ill prepared to pump out. Combined with continued cost-cutting measures and fierce focus on efficiency, along with a reallocation of priorities for downtown redevelopment funds, this packaged plan will bring the city to a situation in which it can not only survive but continue to invest in its dilapidated infrastructure.

With these reforms and concessions, we can stabilize a city government suffering from a chronic structural deficit.

If the mayor gets employee concessions like this, but refuses to support a trash fee, he does not deserve to lead this city. The voters and community leaders would respond to his leadership.

If the employees refuse to go along with even this minimal correction of their compensation system, we should immediately hire bankruptcy experts and consider laying off anyone who is not integrally involved in performing one of the five major things a city absolutely must do: 1) protect and rescue us from fires and other catastrophes; 2) serve and protect us when we're victims of crimes or when criminals target us; 3) bring us water; 4) clean public areas and dispose of trash and sewage; and 5) provide us adequate roads and transit.

We have to do these five things or else our health is in danger.

In addition, we have collectively chosen to add other duties to our city government. We want parks, libraries, recreation centers, convention centers, stadiums, code-compliance officers and Rock and Roll Marathons.

We have decided year after year that we still want these additional amenities.

Unless we can make a deal like the one above, all of these city services are threatened. This includes the services we all need to stay clean, healthy and safe.

We have to admit that City Hall is sick and gather in the doctor's office together to decide on a rational treatment.

This is a simple and fair give and take by both taxpayers and city employees. Whenever we finally recover from this malaise, we will remember the good will both parties displayed when times were tough and we'll be able to share the joy of living in a well managed city long into the future.

Please contact Scott Lewis (scott.lewis@voiceofsandiego.org) directly with your thoughts, ideas, personal stories or tips. Or send a letter to the editor.




75 Comments so far on this story...

Scott- A very good summary of our predicament from the political side. This give and take between the taxpayers and the city work force is supposed to be done by our elected city leaders, negotiating on our behalf. Unfortunately, the city employee unions have subverted this process through their campaign control of the City Council. Ironically, the unions have managed to screw themselves by getting too greedy and bloated, parasitizing weak self-centered politicians. Jerry Sanders recently said on television (4SanDiego) that we simply cannot continue with more than 30% of the City budget going to compensation and benefits. Polemics aside, this situation really does lead one to wonder exactly "who is working for whom?". I personally would be more than willing to support a trash fee, for example, if the City had 1) serious substantial outsourcing, with 2) reduction in benefits and headcount. City operations are about serving the taxpayers.

Posted by John Calvin | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 4:11 pm

Your focus in this comment, blaming our problems only on the unions just perpetuates the problem.

Posted by Julia Cooper | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 6:45 pm

Scott, thanks for this excellent piece. Given the tone of most of the comments, i.e., more union bashing and blaming, I don't see how it could happen. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by Julia Cooper | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 6:46 pm

Wow. Scott Lewis has laid out a simple compromise strategy that makes sense. The big question is will the City Council realize their elected mission is to serve the citizens of San Diego, and not merely the employee unions.... These are simple, but effective changes. Time for our leaders to step up to the plate - and lead!

Posted by Patrick Fearn | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 4:14 pm

I will be brief in my response to this assinine proposal. First off, its somewhat hypocritical to be lectured to about dropping the negative stereotypes by the man who publishes letters to the editor by city employees with mocking headlines. Secondly, let me get this straight, you see this as a fair give and take: City employees give up benefits they earned during fair, good faith bargaining, they give up literaly THOUSANDS of dollars in take home pay, they lose health care coverage (all because your elected officials decided not to pay their bills), they lose vacation time, and in return taxpayers pay $10 to $12 a month, wow, a hundred fifty bucks a year. This is a joke, right?

Posted by D | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 4:49 pm

Are you KIDDING ME?!?! So you negotiated benefits when the city was doing well on the premise that "want a piece of the pie" but are absolutely unwilling to take a cut when it goes down the drain? Look your benefits are RIDICULOUS - and your contract is not endless. Yes you are being asked to renegotiate into a concessionary contract that will reduce your benefits. From my standpoint, if your reaction is what we're faced with then I'd say let us go to bankruptcy and I guarantee the new contract will be nowhere near as generous. By the way I'm a Union worker in a private company and have already given great concessions because the company has hit a very tough spot - just like the City and our contract was actually negotiated in good faith unlike yours.

Posted by DaveW | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 10:03 pm

Asking City employees "to trim benefits" is like asking the Mayor to become anorexic. It will never happen. The City rxists in an entitlement bubble. When firefighters make over $100,000 in overtime and still write to the Voice and whine, you have to know nothing will ever change until the City is bankrupt. I hope lots of greedy Droppers leave soon.

Posted by smournian | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 5:01 pm

Sorry Scott this is off topic but...SUSAN! Your gall is unmitigated!! I'll say it again for you..slowly! I got paid and well for my services; I acknowledged that on numerous occasions. You grab one statement about my family, fit it to your purposes and attack. I worked overtime replace part of my "degreed professional" wife's income! I did it to step up and be a man! A man who didn't want his wife to have to go to work if she didn't want to. A man who wanted his child raised by his parents and not daycare. IT TAKES MONEY, SUSAN! You need to get a bigger universal/eternal view. Your aforementioned "bigger world view" wouldn't give you the barest comprehension of what I speak! If I only make $99,999 next year will you like me then? Or do I have your permission to support my family?

Posted by thom | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 8:49 pm

The thing speaks for itself. No one would have been aware of Thom's situation and his income had he not made it public. Discretion is the better part of valor or as a friend used to use to say, "KMS" (keep mouth shut). Sorry to have stuck a nerve. I never said I was noble just that I volunteered. Do you ?

Posted by smournian | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 7:34 am

yes i do volunteer, it's in our nature to do so.. I'll be at a fire victim's house tomorrow morning helping them load a construction dumpster with debris aAlong withe a bunch of other firefighters. We volunteer in so many ways that you'll never know.

Posted by thom | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 9:29 am

You think firefighters make too much? I don't think volunteers should be able to afford internet. Fair?

Posted by Nate | reply to this comment
March 2, 2009 7:15 pm

continued..Your gall is only topped by your ignorance. I'm done apologizing to the schoolyard mob that assembles here to spout their inanities. I tried to reason with the mob, but the mentality took over like someone poking sticks at some offensive pariah, "Does he have a degree? Ask him if he's in DROP? You guys get disability, huh! Do you think he's really hurt? Ooh, I bet he's faking! He's got a lot of time on his hands to be here! Fireman sit around all day!" You don't want a dialogue, you just want to get somebody and that greedy slacking city employee bogey man showed up, "LET'S GET HIM!" It's pathetic really. I know you volunteer and that's a noble pursuit, but you tarnish that pursuit by your words here.

Posted by thom | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 8:49 pm

This message is a personal attack and violate the Voice policy. Cool your jets. Or should I say, "put out the fire." No one would know of your situation except that you made the choice to go public. No one writing in response to the commentary should be subject to written abuse just because there is a difference of opinion. Please Voice editors carefully monitor emails like this one that are off point and abusive.

Posted by smournian | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 10:30 am

give me a break Susan, everyone trashes the guy who tries to have a reasonable dialog that is frankly impossible on these blogs and finally he snaps a gets pissed and you cry to the editor. Shame on you.....

Posted by Jeff | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 4:10 pm

Well Susan, you did fire the first shot in what could be considered an "attack", and your statements on previous posts can/do carry over when you make similar statements, regardless of tone. Glass houses, Ma'am.

Posted by TheGunny | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 4:19 pm

I can't tell whether you are a reporter, editor or are running for public office. It's hard to want to read your stuff when one doesn't know whether it's news or a policy statement or simply a rant.

Posted by Mike Leach | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 5:14 pm

It's just an opinion column. That's why my picture is included with it. I'm not a politician. I can tell you that with certainty. I wanted to stick my neck out and see if we couldn't forge a compromise. I would love to hear your thoughts on what I laid out. If it sounded like a rant, I'm sorry.

Posted by Scott Lewis | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 5:18 pm

At least you're offering solutions. But.... DROP savings are not "bogus". Are those Esuchanko's numbers you cite? They're not reliable as the ones from SDCERS. Esuchanko said so himself. Also, before DROP, there was no limit to the percentage an employee could collect in pension. If you were hired at 20 and worked until 55 you received 105% until 65, you received 135% of salary. Taxpayers had to contribute a lot more under that system. Now it's capped at 90% (really good) even if an employees works until 100. We hear 120% bandied about, but that difference comes from interest on the employees own money that they left with SDCERS. Even at 3.5% it's still good. I know the private sector has it much worse (at this moment in history), but don't lose sight of where the money comes from. I hope I spelled Esuchanko right.

Posted by thom | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 9:48 pm

Personally, I am getting a bit tired of the arguing over the DROP program. If it is so complicated that nobody can figure out if it is helping or hurting the city then it needs to be canceled. These programs should be fairly straightforward and their purpose clearly documented. I can see that this isn't the case at all. This is why 401ks with matching contributions work out best. The employees have complete control over their own money without worrying about corrupt city officials underfunding while over promising in order to generate a fictitious budget surplus.

Posted by shawn1874 | reply to this comment
March 9, 2009 1:06 pm

Bankruptcy is the only solution in my mind. There are too many stakeholders involved with conflicting interests. After this massive of a pension collapse we need to start over, plain and simple.

Posted by shawn1874 | reply to this comment
March 9, 2009 1:10 pm

Scott, you may want to research on how the drop program came about and how the city used the money. Also there was a settlement by the city, for using retirement funds illegally, to the Police and Fire Associations, ensuring to some degree retiement health benefits. The City kept a tight reign on city employee's until Pete Wilson left, Police and Fire pay was extremly low compared to the rest of the county. The Firefighters went on strike in the 70's, thats how bad it was. With the rising population/crime rate in the 70's, 80's and 90's, police and Fire were busy, busy providing a cost effective service as compared to every other major city in the U.S.

Posted by N.L. Sheridan | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 5:42 pm

I agree with most of your proposal. My disagreement is with the retirement age being 55. City employees should have their normal retirement age the same as Social Security, which is now 66 and increasing. The City should also not contribute to the employees 401K

Posted by Elmer Walker | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 5:34 am

Scott-- While I don't agree with all your details, I think your basic point is right on. We need to get the city and the City to put aside the self-righteous cant and solve our problems. We have waste and fraud and some rich benefits and an abundance of city services that some residents (and politicians) are unwilling to consider we might not be adequately paying for. Stand down from your pillow-forts! // One problem that's been alluded to here and that will be an obstacle: the narrative of blaming City problems on City workers is the only one that many people here know. (For example, the $40M in substantial give-backs you suggested? That's less than 1.3% of total city expenditures -- helpful, but not a burden we'd be made whole without.)

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 7:16 pm

Scott, there must be some middle ground made. I grow tired of getting blamed for doing my job, I am tired of being villified by my councilman, and the city, for what? For getting hired. I was hired in 2000. I knew nothing of the DROP. I wanted to be a city firefighter and have been doing it faithfully for 9 years. I know the current retirement will not be there for me. I know that I will have to tighten down and expect the Mayor to place more blame on something that happened well before the United States Marines transferred me here from El Toro. The public needs to know that what is placed in the news is a 1/2 truth. What the unions place before you is another 1/2 truth. And then there's reality. I am open to some kind of compromise, and put this issue to bed.

Posted by TheGunny | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 7:59 pm

Scott. Unfortunately, and this should scare everyone, the current City DB plan could, unless the markets recover by June, result in a $100 million dollar INCREASE over the planned required contribution in the five year forecast. Thus even with your concessions and the trash pick up fee we are STILL $70 million short (existing 50 million deficit+100 for the pension - 40 for the concessions and 40 for trash).

Posted by Erik | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 8:19 pm

Scott, Ok you want the unions to make concessions. The general public to make concessions. But have the brain trust that made all the decisions that led to this mess - the local city insiders - make no concessions. That makes this a non-starter from a community view. Now if the rollback of redevelopment, the ending of public land giveaways (see site 653, NTC, Navy Broadway), plans to return such land back to the public for their direct use, severe cutting of subsidies to the San Diego Economic Development Corporation, and the halting of erosion of public rights in the planning process (see Density Bonus) along with the loose enforcement of the municipal code for favored parties were all put on the table; then we could have some real negotiation. And some reason to pay higher taxes.

Posted by GH John | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 8:20 pm

Scott, this was a very thoughtful piece. I hope that this doesn't encourage the Mayor to hire you, and thereby shut you up. In the spirit of compromise and moving forward, I'd like hear some specifics from the city employees responding to this column. Generally, I read no compromises on negotiated benefits. OK, specifically how do you expect the city/taxpayers to pay for all the benefits? And, please, I mean specifics that will cover the entire bill---not just getting by for a few more years. The reason I ask (aside from being interested in the dialogue), I don't see accounting wise how the city can tax borrow, and cut out of the structural financial deficit. Meaning, reorganization/BK is looming. Not looking for a trash and bash session---how do we lessen expenses, increase revenues, and become solvent?

Posted by Dale Peterson | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 8:53 pm

There is plenty the matter in Paradise and plenty of blame to go around and Scott Lewis properly assigns it, but he outlines the problems and offers serious alternatives. Good for him. Good for the VOSD. You are finally doing what a newspaper is supposed to do. Count me among your subscribers today.

Posted by Frances O'Neill Zimmerman | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 9:10 pm

Mayor Sanders has no credibility (nor the practical authority) to orchestrate any such deal. You may not remember this little tidbit from last year when the mayor declared MISSION ACCOMPLISHED on pension reform... link If you watch long enough you see the real problem...Carl Demaio. Jerry can't control Carl and Carl will never be satisfied with any negotiated solution and Jerry must satisfy Carl for his own mysterious reasons. So without credibility and authority there is no reason to shake hands with the mayor and expect it to stick. That my friend is the problem in a nutshell.

Posted by With what credibility? | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 9:20 pm

Trash doesn't litter Sunset Cliffs. People litter Sunset Cliffs.

Posted by For what it's worth | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 9:30 pm

Every year I hear the answer is to run the City like a business, but the City isn't a business because it gives away its services to all people while bringing in revenues from a smaller group. The City isn't a money maker, nor is it supposed to be. I am all for fees for trash collection, but I agree that personal responsibility plays a role. Why do people at the beach or on the streets think it is the City who is supposed to pick up after them? The City is not their mother. On the other hand, I was told by a City employee that I didn't receive good customer service because they didn't get paid enough to give it. As long as they have the attitude that they are too good for their pay check, there's no sympathy from me.

Posted by Leanne1 | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 9:47 am

I have been stunned by the payouts to retirees--and current employees. Gosh, I thought I was doing okay, but I should have gone to the public sector and got all the awesome benefits instead of working extremely hard to fund a pretty much worthless 401K. Let's see--top of my class, exceptionally competent, working extremely long hours, traveling long distance weekly. Now I am looking at what public employees are getting and feeling stupid. I'd say it's like the rabbit and the tortoise. Should have gone for the slow walk, not the sprint and ended with the guaranteed deal. My classmate took the SD government route and is way better off than me, and she worked 40 to 45 hours a week tops. Me, a good week was 50. Thirty years and she was done and the money keeps rolling in.

Posted by Janet | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 9:53 pm

Life is so unfair, the misery!

Posted by Nate | reply to this comment
March 2, 2009 7:21 pm

One fundamental problem is that a large percentage of city employees are not city residents, so increasing taxes and fees is always highly more desirable to them than reducing salary and/or benefits. The two real issues that must be addressed are the extra .5% added to the pension multiplier must be rolled back, and the age for retirement must be raised to 55 for safety personal and 60 for other employees. For their part, the unions are correct in distrusting the city in negotiations, since the city has failed to live up to its negotiated obligations often in the past. If the city didn't over hire and made sure we always had funding for any new positions, there would be no issue with the unions. Whatever you agree to pay, only hire as many as you can budget. Need more services? Identify funding first.

Posted by Paul | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 10:05 pm

Hey, I have an idea. How about eliminating retirements for people that only work for the city for 4 years....... that s right, get elected mayor, screw up the city for four years, and walk away with a retirement. Talk about a rip off to the taxpayers!

Posted by Rick | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 10:17 pm

There's another option: Ask the pension system to amortize the pension liability over a full 30 year period, like the rest of the public pension systems in the state. Insisting on a 20 year amortization on a debt we couldn't afford in the first place is like taking out a subprime mortgage with balloon payments on a house we can't afford.

Posted by Vlad | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 10:27 pm

The early 1990's saw the City attempting to maintain and expand services even though the economy was struggling. One time (non-recurring) revenue was used for new and on-going services and facilities; years of fiscally conservative management was exploited as reserves and fully funded budgets were raided to artifically support the additional costs. The City was on the financial edge before there was any discussion of increasing benefits. The benefit increase was, in fact, a short term tactic to fund the City's in-effect deficit spending. So let's be clear: the City did not have adequate revenue to support the services provided in the early '90s prior to the benefit increases. When the benefits were increased AND the pension was underfunded, it exacerbated the City's financial situation. The central point of Scott's approach is a good one. It's time for both sides to realistically discuss levels of benefits and revenues.

Posted by Get A Clue | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 11:00 pm

What you don't get is that every increase in retirement or benefits, came at the expense of a salary increase. The City was good at putting off their bills until a future date. Heck, even when they gave salary increases, they backended them as much as possible, sometimes they would even come on the last day of a contract. When retirement benefits were increased, I'll admit, I didn't even pay attention. It didn't help me pay the bills! The City thought that they were just passing on a cost they wouldn't have to pay for 30 years or so. Turns out they have to pay more up front than they thought. Really...how is that my fault? I would have loved a 3% raise each year instead. Scott, do a true comparison to other agencies and see how the City compares.

Posted by Ann | reply to this comment
February 25, 2009 11:42 pm

The trade-off is now where near a compromise. City employees give up a ton and city residents pay a few extra dollars. That's not a compromise, you sound like Carl DeMaio. By the way, do you really want police officers working until their 55? You are going to spend a fortune on a broken old police department. Lastly, since you are such an expert on DROP, please tell us where you got your figures that DROP costs the city or SDCERS a ton of money? There has never been one formal study that DROP costs the city a dime. You would only believe this if you are a sheep unwilling to do his own analysis.

Posted by Jeff Peterson | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 5:22 am

Jeff - the latest figures suggest the vast majority of police officers ARE working to 55. 50 and then 5 more years in DROP.

Posted by Erik | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 8:48 am

I agree, we must compromise to solve ongoing structural deficits. You offered some interesting ideas for the labor side. But what was disturbing…many, if not all, of “your” ideas, identically mirrored the City’s “opening” negotiation proposals. The City wants to end DROP, employees to give up two holidays, raise the minimum retirement age to 55 for safety and 60 for the rest. Create a medical trust where there’s a 50-50 split, and the 12 days of furlough for all, including safety employees. It was exactly for the same period, the “next two years.” I did read, City Taxpayers are tax adverse, but there was no REAL analysis of how adverse. What's needed is a careful analysis on how we compare to other similar cites in tax revenues, fees and the cost of living. With that information, maybe both sides will find a compromise that works.

Posted by JW | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 5:48 am

Scott Lewis aka Carl DeMaio. You obviously did not do your research before writing your opinion. It is completely one-sided.

Posted by Jim | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 6:40 am

And just which side would that be???

Posted by Paul | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 9:03 am

Eliminate the SPSP for employees. This is a matched benefit like a 401k for most city workers (Safety - fire and police are not allowed to participate). Retire at 55 for police and fire, retire at 60 (or 65) for other city employees. You really don't want a 65 year old cop or firefighter showing up on your doorstep and expect them to fight a burglar or carry someone out of burning building. (Might make a good utube video though.)

Posted by Mmorrison | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 7:18 am

City employees have SPSP because they do not pay into social security, which many people who have 401Ks do have. I'm sure someone else has mentioned that but I can't wade through all the emails.

Posted by Leanne1 | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 10:00 am

The SPSP program was designed to replace the City's Social Security payments in 1982 to save the City money. Even if employees max out the City's contribution, it's still less than current SS employer payroll taxes. If you ditch SPSP, the Feds will require returning to SS at a net loss to the City. Not helpful to City or employees (who pay half of SPSP and the pension contribution..never missed a payment).

Posted by peevee | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 11:01 am

Interestingly, San Diego lifeguards get both SPSP and the 3% at 50. Lifeguards are represented by MEA so get the 6% free City matching money for SPSP - AND - they are considered Life Safety so qualify for the POA and FIRE early retirement age (50 years) and the 3% retirement multiplier.

Posted by Best of Both Worlds | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 5:21 pm

I thought the Voice policy was not to allow personal attacks or insults. In response to my recent posting a user named Thom addressed me by name and went on a long personal rant against me. Please be more careful about letting these types of emails slip by your censors. Scott Lewis wrote on Opinion/ Commentary piece and asked for responses. They responses need to be kept at a civil level and not disintegrate into useless, immature types of replies which get us no where near a solution.

Posted by smournian | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 7:33 am

We agree. Personal attacks and insults should not be tolerated. Please do not allow Thom's personal attacks and insults to continue.

Posted by La Play Heritage | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 10:09 am

Susan and all, I apologize. I will do better at rising above.

Posted by Thom | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 1:17 pm

Give me a break. You sling personal comments all over, but primp them as "objective opinions". You attack, attack and attack some more. But once it gets thrown back you cry. You voted for Obama didn't you?

Posted by Sickofit | reply to this comment
March 2, 2009 7:25 pm

I would like to know what the 13th check had cost for the past five years. Here is some info on the SDCERS site - Status of 13th Check and Corbett Payment Each year, SDCERS' accounting staff prepares the detailed calculations to determine the 13th check and Corbett payment amounts in October, and forwards this information to the City Comptroller for review. Following that review, staff submits the payment authorization to the SDCERS Board for approval in November. After the review, SDCERS is able to communicate if payments can be made. SDCERS staff is currently in the process of preparing final year-end financial statements, which must be completed prior to the 13th Check and Corbett calculations. Upon SDCERS' Board approval, the 13th Check and Corbett payments would be made at the end of November. SDCERS will keep you updated on this web site on the progress.

Posted by s mournian | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 7:33 am

This is a bogus, unbalanced solution. "Compromising" by using a trash-collection fee (something most 100,000 to 200,000 residents already pay for in condos and apartments) to offset such a wide range of employee concessions is not equitable. Besides, stating that "the furloughs would be tough to swallow but they can be managed and eliminated when the economy improves" ignores the history that SD can't put its house inorder--furloughs would be permanent. I would agree to some of your package of employee givebacks it it were matched by a comparable level of taxpayer contributions. We need many fee increases and a credible tax increase--there is no way around it. Unfortunately it won't happen, and SD will slowly circle the drain as a good place to live. We haven't had good governmental leaders in so long, we have forgotten what it is like.

Posted by David | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 7:39 am

Could you also address the 13th check ? Why couldn't this perk be eliminated ? I will now get on my Swat gear so I will be safe just in case some highly paid but unhappy City employee fires back. This is a thoughtful article which proposes solutions that are workable. Scott for Mayor.

Posted by smournian | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 7:39 am

As a retired City employee I would support this as long as those who retired in the 1970s were exempted. The 13th check was really intended for them. They were paid badly and subsist on miserable retirements. That 13th check helps keep the wolf from the door for them. The rest of us, who retired with much richer salaries and benefits, we could manage.

Posted by peevee | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 11:10 am

Actually, that is worth examining, I always thought the 13th check was something that would only happen in "fat" years. I'm not sure how it became permanent. Don't know enough about it to say either way.

Posted by thom | reply to this comment
February 27, 2009 5:28 pm

These are all reasonable suggestions. The problem is that it will take conseissions from the union leadership (extortionist ). As a spouse of a city employee and small business owner I see the business sense in this proposal. Until government begins to budget more like a business the problem will never be solved.

Posted by jomama | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 8:38 am

If the City of San Diego has 12,000 employees, how many or what percentage are union members? If 30% of the budget goes to pay salaries and benefits for them, how can anyone deny that union leadership negotiated contracts are the essential problem that has to be solved. Union members just accepted passively what their elected leaders brought them. There simply is not enough money to go around, and there will be less in the future--so if I have less in the future, how can I give you more? Solutions start with (1) required sacrifices from everyone (givebacks) AND (2) identify and tap into additional resource streams. Suggest we revisit TOT. Voters live in a different Universe now-- 3 or 5 cents tacked onto tourists' dollars might get resounding approval.

Posted by LTegarden | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 8:49 am

I don't blame city workers for the city's financial troubles--elected officials had already mismanaged the city's funds, before they started increasing pension benefits (in fact, it was because of the city's financial problems that former city council and mayor traded pension benefits for added retirement benefits, in return for allowing underfunding of the pension fund), but there is an obvious conflict of interest, when elected officials accept campaign contributions from unions and then negotiate the union members' compensation. San Diego is not the only government body with this problem.

Posted by Steve K | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 8:55 am

Scott, you forgot one very important point about the DROP program and mis-stated that it costs the City money. First when DROP was implemented, City workers gave up the old, uncapped retirement equation.With DROP retirement equation is capped at 90%. For example if I stayed until I was 55, and I came on PD at 21 as I did, I would get 102% of my retirement and a 10% bump in salary due to the Corbett decision. Next, to figure DROP's cost or savings, accurately not one "investigative reporter" has printed or probably even asked ever, how much monies has the DROP accounts of retirees interest OVER THE ANNUITY RATE has been paid into the City general fund over the years! Why has this not been asked?

Posted by Gene | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 9:37 am

Scott...Scott...Scot drinking the Demaio Kool-Aid I see. Your proposals only impact city employees who are being asked to provide substantial give-backs. The trash fee is such a miniscule amount it is barely worth a mention. Close libraries, park and rec centers, pools, etc and agree to provide those services again when the reisdents decidee they are willing to adequately pay to support those services. How do you handle a situation when an employee has developed a retirement plan and worked their entire career towards that plan only to have the rules changed just as they are about to retire. Keep in mind most city emplyees have no social security benefits and no medicare benefits. Even in bankruptcy, employee benefits are rarely rolled back. When the Orange County pension system went bankrupt, not one single employee had their benefits altered. Your reporting in this matter is anything but balanced.

Posted by Jim | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 10:07 am

I think taxpayers would "bite the bullet" and begrudgingly accept having to continue paying high wages and generous pensions to existing employees provided that we have estremely hard working and competent employees doing their jobs. I believe that the public perception of city employees is that too many are slackers and it is nearly impossible to demote or discharge one because of unsatisfactory performance. The system now takes too long to rid unsatisfactory performers. The City and the Unions should have a policy where they regularly notify the public of the number of employees that are displined, put on probation, taken off probation, demoted, or discharged for unsatisfactory performance. There should be a target goal of a fairly large percentage of the total workforce (15-20%?) that will be discharged in any one year for unsatisfactory performance. Taxpayers would feel they get their monies worth.

Posted by An Observer | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 10:07 am

You’re on the right track but, as always, the devil is in the details. First, no voter in his right mind is going to support higher fees and taxes until he sees major cuts in city expenses. There’s simply no residual of trust to call upon. Obvious candidates, in addition to changes in benefits, are the bloated “redevelopment” monstrosity, the city ownership/management of three golf courses, two airports and a cemetery, and the unbelievable boondoggle of SDCERS, which generates 41.5 million in budget expenses, apparently buried in the unfunded liability of the pension plan. Your list of “concessions” needs a bit of tweaking. First of all, furloughs will just make city administration more snarled than ever and is an indication to the uneducated that the city is still overstaffed if it can afford to absent it’s employees regularly. Also, besides raising the normal retirement age of public safety employees 5 years, the age should be raised for general employees as well. There’s nothing unreasonable about a normal retirement age of 60, and if people want to leave before then they can do so with an actuarially-reduced pension. That’s what’s done in the real world, albeit the normal retirement age is most often 65. As for post-retirement medical benefits, they are indeed too generous but some benefit is realistic for retirees until they reach Medicare age, when it should stop. Supplements are available then, if the retiree wants to buy one, but really not necessary in all but the most unusual cases. Reducing holidays is a tough sale, with the legislature giving the bird to the governor when he tried to reduce California State employee holidays from 14 to 12. After this package is installed, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to charge for trash pickup, to increase substantially the fees for storm water disposal, which are supposed to be self-funded but aren’t, and to do other revenue enhancements such as charging for parking at Balboa Park and the beach communities. P.S. To all the city employees claiming that their pension is a tradeoff for lower than normal salaries, how about we compare your pay with jobs in the major private employers in the area: Qualcomm, NAASCO, Solar, SAIC, etc?

Posted by Bill Bradshaw | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 12:01 pm

How do you get to do such long responses. I get limited to 150 words, but yours go on and on. How?

Posted by thom | reply to this comment
March 8, 2009 3:44 pm

As a 30+ year City employee I can agree with a lot in this article. I would gladly eliminate DROP, even though I'll soon be eligible for it. I'll take even more than 12 days furlough. And there are 3 holidays I'll gladly give up (Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez and floating, even though the city is afraid to offend any minority group and wants us to give up President's Day, a real holiday unlike the made up ones.) One thing I DO NOT want to give up is my retiree health. Back in 1981 we agreed to stop paying into social security with a guarantee of retiree health. I was 20 when I started working for the city so I don't have enough quarters to qualify for social security so I won't get medicare. That's not fair for us.

Posted by Irish Giggles | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 1:03 pm

The city is paying for the actions of Susan Golding and Jack McGrory, who tried to buy labor piece by increasing pension benefits multiple times while cutting the amount the city was paying into the pension fund in order to pay for city sponsorship of the GOP convention and expanding QualComm Stadium for the Chargers in return for Spanos' contributions to Goldings failed US Senate campaign. During the last 15 years local politicians have watched as private companies froze or dropped their traditional defined benefit pension plans, without a squawk from President Bush or Congress. Now they are looking at balancing their own books at the expense of their own employees just like big private companies like Sempra and SDG&E did to increase their profits and executivies bonuses. As private employees were losing their pension benefits, the public employees and their unions did nothing. Now its their turn.

Posted by Watcher | reply to this comment
February 26, 2009 4:37 pm

"As private employees were losing their pension benefits, the public employees and their unions did nothing. Now its their turn." First PD and FD are not unions. They do not have the right to strike and any offer made by the City regarding pay/benefits negotiations can be imposed by the City if it is not agreed upon by the PD and FD personnel. Those facts are contrary to any definition of a "union". Now it is 2009 and everyone wants PD and FD to make less money and remove existing pensions they were contracted for over the life of their employment. In 2005 Sanders already restructured these areas and removed $600 per month from employees take home pay checks. I am confident he will do this again this year, but fact is employees have been ponying up for the last 4 years.

Posted by Gene | reply to this comment
February 27, 2009 10:22 am

Look you don't get it. The rates you negotiated for fairly are not permanent just like the tax rates in CA are changing this year and will probably change in San Diego shortly. Times change and as such public employees, including the PD and FD should expect to take concessions to 1) help produce a balanced budget 2) help the city get out of this drastic fiscal situation it's in due in large part to employee contracts and 3) put their salary and benefits more in line with equitable supply/demand/educat hours of the private sector. If they negotiated a contract then it was for a set time period but can be (and should be) amended early. Without this there is no way to fix this mess.

Posted by Davew | reply to this comment
February 27, 2009 9:32 pm

Changing pensions and benefits for new hires is one thing. New hires take a contract, they and the City need to abide by it. Vested employees should not have pensions removed or altered. This would be illegal, immoral and ethically disgusting. Currently, new hires that graduate the academy and enter the field as sworn officers qualify for affordable housing due to their pay. They get their raises for graduating and getting off probation. Now, you reduce their pay again they in accordance with what people and the Mayor is asking and the current new hires, your future PD, will be living on less than they did in the academy. The taxpayers spend $500K to train them and still do nothing to retain them.I understand some concessions may be in order, but I find it apalling that our mind trusts can't save any money any where else!

Posted by Gene | reply to this comment
March 1, 2009 1:02 pm

On the contrary. I think that the City can save a lot of money in a lot of different places. See Scott's earlier piece. But to say that a first year probationary or even a 2nd year guy somehow has ownership on the pension 30 years later is ludicrous. Look, if the city can afford it then I'm all for paying it but the truth is that we, the City of San Diego, and likely most California cities cannot afford it. We have, by far, the highest pension benefits of any state and the Safety Departments and public employees have held it up by saying "we have to compete against xx neighboring city that offers the same benefits". The whole thing was ridiculous for which I blame Davis and the Unions that supported him. Things have changed.

Posted by davew | reply to this comment
March 1, 2009 9:59 pm

A probationary employee has no claim to a pension. A pension become a pension benefit but only when the employee is vested. Also, an employee has to have 10 years to draw any kind of pension. If an employee stays 10 years and retires at 55, he/she will be approx. 25% of their pay. It increases 2.5% for every year. Most people are around 10 to 20 years, a few long timers more than that. So not that many golden pensions being handed out. 20 years will get you 50% of your pay. And remember, most employees do not earn anywhere near $100,000.

Posted by Ann | reply to this comment
March 4, 2009 11:18 pm

So things have changed. And you can either accept and try to work with the taxpayers, the real people that pay your wages, or you can fight them and accept change the hard way. I don't understand why we should pay so much more for a SDPD/FD officer than other cities in the country when the services are offered are certainly not any better and the current average public safety officer wage/benefit packages IS MUCH BETTER than the average private citizen's in this region. City employees have gotten away with a lot because no one has paid attention but a new populist movement has sprung up that is determined to "right the wages". I want to pay the PD/FD/city employees fair wages but that's it. Where's the movement from them on this issue?

Posted by davew | reply to this comment
March 1, 2009 10:03 pm

"I don't understand why we should pay so much more for a SDPD/FD officer than other cities" San Diego pays less for FD and PD according to the Buck Study commissioned by Mayor Sanders. San Diego employs fewer FD and PD personnel per capita. We live in a desert with borrowed water and the world's most porous border! Let me put this in perspective, You hire on with the City and your told you will receive certain pay in exchange for performing certain duties. At the completion of so many years the City agrees to reward you with a pension. You agree the City agrees, the deal is done. You complete your obligations and the term needed to qualify for your pension. The city says "I spent the money I promised you on other things", are you going to walk away empty handed?

Posted by Gene | reply to this comment
March 3, 2009 9:37 pm

OK smart guy, I think PD and FD here would gladly take a salary average of the top five largest Cities in the State so make it happen. Yes I said State because you have to compare apples to apples(cost of living index,taxation rates,etc.) You would be really appreciated if you could make this happen. Better yet next time before you post back your opinion with factual statistics.

Posted by Seek The Truth | reply to this comment
March 7, 2009 12:00 pm

I attended the council's budget committee outreach last Thursday night in District 7. Sad, so very sad. We are in more trouble than we realize. I finally understood why the two masks, comedy and tragedy, appear side by side. Most people are really stupid and/or inarticulate. Out of a crowd of 75 or so, there were three speakers who were city workers, a veterinarian and a member of the community planning group who offered actual facts and remedies (1 had a slide show) to mostly bored and disdainful Council members and IBA; exception DeMaio who was engaged. Chair Tony Young was just rude to some speakers, i.e., Dr. John Pilch was cut off in mid-sentence, Young herded the meeting along and finished twenty minutes early. Just a staged event for press purposes--they really don't give a damn. So much for vox populi.

Posted by LTegarden | reply to this comment
February 28, 2009 8:17 am


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