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Published: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT



Let's deal with something.

In response to my last post, a couple of you argued that employee benefits are not what we're paying off with this big pension bill, oh contraire.

There was this from NorthPark for instance:

Scott. I hope you are hearing Augmented Ballot, who is right on. You remind me a bit of the UT (Uninformed Trash) writers when you refer to our "big bills" as going to fund the employees' pension. Why do so many seem to discard the Council's decision to UNDERFUND the pension for so many years, which is a big factor in the size of the current bill. The 2.5 % at 55 puts City employees on even footing with other government agencies, not above average. Be more forthright, not SLOPpy


The Pension Reform Committee and other city and pension consultants looked into this in previous years to determine how much of the unfunded pension liability came from investment losses, increased benefits, unplanned or higher-than expected salary increases, and underfunding.

The committee and its actuarial efforts found that 72 percent of the unfunded liability arose from both benefit enhancements and unplanned or higher-than-expected wage increases or benefit accruement. And 41 percent specifically came from benefit increases. Only 10 percent of the liability arose from the city not paying as much as it should into the plan (that doesn't mean it still wasn't ridiculous but we should keep in mind this was agreed to by most employee representatives on the pension board).

Look, the fact is that promising benefits you don't have plans to fund is itself a form of underfunding. So I essentially agree -- the city underfunded the pension plan, which caused this.

The other argument I hear a lot is that the city's benefits are on par with other governments. Yep, and other governments, especially the county of San Diego, are dealing with outrageous pension bills too.

And finally, the last argument is that employees got these pension benefits in place of increases in salary. In essence, they came in place of salary hikes the employees felt they deserved. Hence the term "deferred compensation."

Just like deferred debt, deferred compensation has to be funded eventually. Employees will say, and do say, that the city should simply raise taxes. But when employee leaders were doing these deals -- these deferred compensation deals -- they never went out of their way to point out that we'd have to eventually raise taxes or lay off hundreds to pay for them.

In fact, this was the problem: City management and employee unions expressly didn't want to talk about the consequences of the deals they were making.

They figured that we'd all find out eventually. And they were right.

-- SCOTT LEWIS




30 Comments so far on this story...

Some good news from the City. The City has put a hiring freeze on for all departments. That means the police department will continue to shrink. Less officers means less crime according to the City Officials. Crime stats will keep falling since victims will get tired of waiting and will cancel their reports so crime will continue to fall. And when they start hiring officers again...It will take 14 to 16 months to have those officers out in the field handling radio calls.

Posted by pete | reply to this comment
September 22, 2009 4:17 pm

Well the county sheriff could start doing his job and start issuing concealed carry permits to those who qualify instead of just rejecting all outright. The solution to less police is responsibile citizens taking responsibility for their own safety. I wonder if the gummint will allow law abiding citizens to do that.

Posted by shawn1874 | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 12:11 pm

"Lewis is right - only mutual sacrifice of the worst kind is going to right the shop and the only way for that to happen is for the Mayor to LEAD by laying out a multi-year recovery plan that actually balances the books." Wrong! There is one other solution called bankruptcy which is what will eventually happen when taxpayers rebel. We're not stupid you know. We know the game. All involved did this on purpose knowing that down the road they could make this "mutual sacrifice argument" and force taxpayers to pay for their mistakes. It is a typical government strategy. Hide as much as possible from the taxpayers and then claim that if the taxpayers don't bail us out all hell will erupt and the city will go off of the proverbial financial cliff.

Posted by shawn1874 | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 12:13 pm

Scott, thanks for the post and for providing the link to this study. I hope you can provide some more information on this critical question. Here are a few things I notice. 1) The report counts "Use of Plan earnings for contingent benefits" (12%) as a separate category, but this is really just underfunding by another name. Money that was meant to stay in the fund was used for City obligations. 2) This report (2004) covers 1996-2003, while the Navigant report (2006) identifies diversion of plan earnings beginning in 1991. It's too bad that data wasn't part of this accounting. 3) I'm unclear on how the City's insufficient amortization schedule is or is not classified in this report: "Full actuarial funding as currently defined did not and does not result in a required payment large enough to keep the Plan’s deficit from growing." This is also underfunding (Cont.)

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
September 22, 2009 10:40 pm

You stated: City management and employee unions expressly didn't want to talk about the consequences of the deals they were making. Ok, this is half true. Any union's responsibility is to argue for its members ... NOT to find funding. They neither have the power nor the responsibility. HOWEVER,I do find fault in a City Council and several City managers ( and senior staff) who didn't crunch the numbers -- THAT was their responsibility and within their power. Lastly the annual labor contracts were written in a better economic time-in a time where private companies were outpacing government salaries and benefits. This climate was the background for any and all negotiations. Theoretically, the City could have negotiated/included a clause which limited pensions/benefits in leaner times.They DIDN'T

Posted by KA | reply to this comment
September 22, 2009 11:12 pm

(Cont.) by another name, and was part of the 1991 deal which had the familiar aim of deferring costs. 4) "Net Actuarial losses" (31%) --read: 'the fund used assumptions which turned out to be wrong' (as I read it, viz existing, _not subsequent_, benefits)-- is probably not deliberate underfunding. But it did have that affect on City payments. 5) I believe the employee share of retirement payments increased after this report, so I'd expect new benefits to shrink somewhat as a share of the total liability. 6) Finally, "It should be noted that the Retirement Board commissioned a similar study that resulted in a significantly different allocation" of what to attribute to underfunding, to new benefits, etc. Is that publicly available? Or the Navigant report? // A more complete picture of the City's underfunding (with 1991-1996 excluded) according to this report was in the range of 22%-53% as of 2003.

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
September 22, 2009 11:14 pm

I got a little carried away. The simpler read is simply that this study (1996-2003) found that new retirement benefits accounted for 41% of the liability in 2003. Not "most", the "bulk of", or "all". 41%, period. That's a different story than you've presented. //Speaking of, maybe I can improve on the dinner/car/house metaphors: We were having trouble making our house payments. Since we needed the car, didn't want to give up our season-tickets, and refused to work more hours, we went to the bank. They said "look, I can lower your monthly payment, but if you stop paying principal and don't pay your full interest either (negative amortization) I'll have to ask for an addition point of interest in exchange." Well, we took that deal in 1991. Then repeated it twice more, in 1997 and 2002. Stupid. But what drove this was unwillingness to cut spending or raise revenue.

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 8:16 am

The Navigant report (Jan 2006) puts the 'Benefit improvements' share of liability at 39%.

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
September 24, 2009 11:32 am

Scott, Ka is absolutely correct. What you suggest, that the employee groups examine the Cities financial status before accepting a labor contract the City would even share that information with employee groups. When the City (or any employer- even yours!)makes an offer of a raise for its employees it is easily assumed they would not make the offer if they couldn't afford it. Your thought would be similar to Best Buy putting merchandise on sale for 50% off, and you would expect the customers to review the companies financial disclosures to decide whether or not BestBuy could afford to make the offer before the customer accepted the discount. Plus where is the information that says the City didnt have the money to fund employees benefits in the first place? How do we know the monies were not diverted for other use, redevelopment of downtown, etc ?

Posted by Gene | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 5:38 am

As a City employee. there is one issue that I would like to see cleared up and maybe people will understand it better. There is a misconception that the taxpayers are fully funding my pension. If that is true (and it isn't), why am I paying $1100 per month out of my paycheck directly into the City's pension fund? The truth is that employees and the City share the cost as laid out in the City Charter. Yes its true that in years past the City agreed...promised... pick up part of the employees contribution in exchange for pay raises. The City then failed to pay the amount they agreed on. Now they have essentially rescinded those promises and the employees are contributing their own money to their own retirement. The bottom line is that the taxpayers and the employees share the burden of funding the retirements of City workers.

Posted by Jim | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 7:32 am

This myth about taxpayers fully funding public employee pensions is also being used at the state level. However, the FACTS are: Of every dollar paid out in pension benefits by CalPERS, 75 cents comes from fund investments, 13 cents from employee contributions, and just 12 cents from the employer (taxpayers).

Posted by stevefromsacto | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 9:28 am

Great! So we don't need a tax increase to pay for the pension liabilities. Thanks for clearing that up. When the stock market recovers, the pension pile will be back to normal. Or is someone suggesting that now taxpayers have to put more into it to account for the investment losses which is what seems to be happening at the moment? What happens when the county has a disgraceful fund manager who resigns after it becomes clear that he has severly mismanaged the investments? Here they come to save the day, all the taxpayers are going to pay! What you are suggesting seems to be the "sunny day plan" but what happens when the investments are resulting in negative contributions (losses) rather than the 75cents on the dollar? Does that mean that the increases in payments are temporary during the recession?

Posted by shawn1874 | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 12:21 pm

FACT = Funny Accounting Creates TARP

Posted by antonio | reply to this comment
September 29, 2009 5:49 pm

Honestly who care? We could dance forever on the head of the actuarial pen as to who was to blame. The near decade long back and forth on this is starting to read like Kant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_Pure_Reason). Lewis is right - only mutual sacrifice of the worst kind is going to right the shop and the only way for that to happen is for the Mayor to LEAD by laying out a multi-year recovery plan that actually balances the books. Stop arguing about the past....it stops you from thinking about the future.

Posted by CMR | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 7:44 am

CMR, I appreciate your position that if we owe money it's our responsibility to move on and pay it. That's mature, and I applaud you. But I think shawn1874 is (inadvertently) making the case for why it's also important to establish the historical facts. Someone has to pay this bill. If the bill is primarily a result of over-generosity to employees, it's reasonable to ask employees to shoulder more of the cost. If the bill is primarily the result of a taxpayer free-ride in the '90s and early '00s, then it's reasonable to ask taxpayers to pony-up now. Getting the facts right is up to journalists and the rest of us.

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 1:56 pm

Let me know how trying to convince taxpayers they had a "free ride" works out for you. Most will say (with a lot of truth) that special interests were the main beneficiary of that. Now if you want to try to go after the hotel, sports, and tourism industries great but I think it a hard nut to crack that the same taxpayers taht were suffering reduced hours at libraries &P+R and inabiliyt to bump fire protection somehow got away on the cheap.

Posted by CMR | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 3:44 pm

I don't disagree. But I do think it'd help to get a picture of what the actual truth is. There were a lot of special interests taking advantage. But if we'd been paying for trash pickup, say, for the past 20 years, might not our finances look a lot different today? That has consequences. Anyway, there are falsehoods being repeated ('the pension liability is nearly-all on account of increased benefits'), so it's not like it's the truth vs nothing. A false narrative can't help us solve anything.

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 4:26 pm

You have just confirmed exactly how naive you are. The Mayor's committees have been hand selected or hired to play forward the administrations agenda. You want to fix this in a reasonable fashion? Cut services not positions, dont raise taxes or add fees just cut the services to a level which we can afford. The City hasn't had enough people to perform all the work for years. There isn't a single section or division which is operating at capacity most are at 40-60%. So fixing it is easy cut the services back to funding levels, gag the politicians so they can't promise anymore. For all the private industry dreamers do the math 80,000 widgets to maintain, schedule is for 5 years, each PM takes 1 hr 10 minutes with a two person crew. Now how many people do you need ? Good Luck

Posted by Karrage | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 1:00 pm

Cutting services has been happening for years now. In the police department we no longer respond to non-injury accidents. Most crime reports are now taken over the phone and almost none of those are ever assigned to a detective. Many calls for service have been re-prioritized to make it appear that we are meeting goals of response times to critical calls. The reality is if we can;t meet the response times, just change the priority of the calls so there are fewer high priority calls to respond to. We are down nearly 300 officers so there is no way we can continue to offer the level of service people want, expect and deserve. Its the same city-wide. 600 employees retired in the first 6 months and many of those have not been replaced. Something has to give and its going to be the level of service.

Posted by Jim | reply to this comment
September 23, 2009 8:49 pm

I think you must be mistaken. I distinctly remember Sanders telling is during the initial election against Frye that he could work his magic of balancing the budget with no tax increases and no reduction in services. Jerry wouldn't lie to the kids, would he???

Posted by Paul | reply to this comment
September 25, 2009 8:09 am

This is an interesting thread, partly because it reveals how many people are ignorant about the financial behavior of SD government. Specifically, some seem to think that SD finances would be healthy if there had been fees for garbage collection or if taxes were increased; in short, if the city had more revenue. But based on more than ample experience, SD would spend all it has and increase its bonded indebtedness besides, regardless of the size of it's revenue. Of course, judging by the financial stress of many local governments (and the state and the federal gov), SD is not unique. The desire to expend is, practically speaking, unlimited. And, since governments are unable to exercize financial self control, other means are required to control their appetites.

Posted by josil | reply to this comment
September 28, 2009 10:58 am

So then you're saying we should cut services. (Or do you prefer 'borrow&spend'? Or magical efficiency ponies?) Fine. Where would you cut $57.2M/yr?

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
September 29, 2009 8:38 am

Well lets start with eliminating $6 million that we give to arts and street fairs. Last time I looked NOT a core municipal service. I would guess we could also ADD $3-4 million to revenues if we leased out Torrey Pines and stopped trying to run it as a benefit to the mens and womens club who get world class seaside golf for under $50 a round. I am up for consolidating city and county library services (lets say 2 million in saved overhead). While taking more than a year I would like to contract out Recreation center operations to boys and girls club as the county does in a number of communities. I am up for charging for parking at the beach. Ditto Balboa Park. (continued)

Posted by CMR | reply to this comment
September 29, 2009 9:06 am

Another give away - sweet heart leases with the padres and Chargers that don't charge for all game day security and traffic control outside the park. If the Padres don't want to pay, for exasmple, for traffic control just don't provide it. My guess is that screaming fans stuck for 2 hours will change minds down at Padre land. One of the great ironies of San Diego is not that we are "cheap" but that in a myriad of ways we decide to divert $$ from core municipal functions to satisfy the whining of special interests. On PBS last night they talked about the first head of the US Forest Service whose mantra was "The greatest good for the Greatest Number". But in San Diego we don't think that way, deciding that it is who screams the loudest wins.

Posted by CMR | reply to this comment
September 29, 2009 9:09 am

I agree with a number of these proposals. We've been pretty generous with corporate welfare, for sure. But so far you've listed an optimistic $14M in savings per year (not accounting for any revenue generation). Which leaves $43M to go...

Posted by Augmented Ballot | reply to this comment
September 29, 2009 1:26 pm

CMR-The Padres and Chargers DO pay for the extra security and traffic control at events, so you won't save much there. Good ideas though. I would add, examine the outside attorney fees. I have never seen a running total, but for the last for years with, outside SEC investigations, criminal investigations like stripper gate, et al...there was probably more than 50 million spent there. I am sure the City will at times need expertise and advice, but we have a City attorney office with over 100 attorneys that provide criminal and civil defense to City employees. Use them

Posted by Gen | reply to this comment
September 30, 2009 5:14 am

Unless amended the UT reported about four years ago that the padres DO NOT pay for traffic control OUTSIDE of Petco. So the guys/gals directing traffic getting out the MTS building, for example, on game day are NOT being reimbursed. I wonder too about traffic control on Friars on Chargers days but that wasn't covered. I doubt (but only gut) that R&R Marathon pays all race day expenses. Do street fairs?

Posted by CMR | reply to this comment
September 30, 2009 11:34 am

Under Sanders, to the best of my understanding Allevent costs are now picked up. This was corrected by Sanders about 4 years ago. One thing I agree with Sanders on. Probably right after UT ran the article. They definitely pick up costs for PD/FF

Posted by Gene | reply to this comment
September 30, 2009 10:45 pm

Not sure about that. As I understood there were contractual obligations and an explicit prohibition on charging the pads. Maybe they amended the Petco Park agreement but I never saw anything to disprove and lord knows Team Jerry would have yelled it from the mountaintops.

Posted by CMR | reply to this comment
October 1, 2009 10:00 pm

The problem with asking the taxpayers to take responsibility for this problem (through tax increases or raised fees or however we want to name the cost) is that no one involved in these bad decisions has taken responsibility. What ever happened to the city auditor at that time, who 'retired' a week before the story broke? What ever happened to that group (including the assistant auditor - why her and not HIM?) who were indicted but never tried? If someone wants Joe Taxpayer to clean this up, then Joe T.'s gonna want to see someone take responsibility. That's what this Joe wants...

Posted by walt | reply to this comment
October 11, 2009 5:47 am


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